What is required to defeat an enemy force in a city? That question has plagued militaries for generations and is the focus of this episode of the Urban Warfare Project Podcast. Host John Spencer is joined by retired General David Petraeus, who served thirty-seven years in the US Army, culminating his career with six consecutive commands as a general officer, including five in combat. He served as commander of Multi-National Forces–Iraq during the troop surge, commander of US Central Command, and commander of coalition forces in Afghanistan. Following his retirement from the Army, he was the director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

General Petraeus earned a PhD from Princeton University and is the coauthor of the recently published book Conflict: The Evolution of Warfare from 1945 to Ukraine. He brings both his background as a scholar of war and his deep, firsthand experience fighting enemy forces in urban areas to this conversation, sharing insights on both recent and ongoing urban battles and campaigns—including the Israel Defense Forces’ war against Hamas.

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Image credit: Staff Sgt. Bradley Lail, US Army