It is conventional wisdom that a cyber issues increasingly influence the conduct of all activities—including military activities. But what does conflict in cyberspace actually look like? Short of conflict, what does strategic competition in cyberspace look like? And are there even clear, bright lines that distinguish one from the other?

In this episode of the MWI Podcast, John Amble is joined by two guests: Maggie Smith is an Army officer and codirector of Project Cyber at the Irregular Warfare Initiative. And Erica Lonergan is an assistant professor at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs. In a wide-ranging conversation, they tackle subjects including how cyber operations intersect with the other warfighting domains, cyber talent management, and even how a group of private individuals is using cyber capabilities in support of Ukraine’s defense against Russia’s aggression.

The MWI Podcast is produced through an endowment generously funded by the West Point Class of 1974. You can listen to this episode of the podcast below, and if you aren’t already subscribed, be sure to find it on Apple PodcastsStitcher, or your favorite podcast app so you don’t miss an episode. While you’re there, please take just a moment to leave the podcast a rating or give it a review!

Note: This episode was originally released in August 2022.

Image credit: Airman 1st Class Jared Lovett, US Air Force