In this episode of the MWI Podcast, Maj. Jake Miraldi sits down for a conversation with Dr. Mara Karlin. She has served in national security roles for five US secretaries of defense, and is the author of a book called Building Militaries in Fragile States.

Listen as she explains how that imperative to help build military forces in what are often politically unstable countries has become a central part of US strategy. She also discusses why not just our military, but our entire defense enterprise, prioritizes this undertaking—and why it’s so hard.

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Image credit: Sgt. Luke Hoogendam, US Marine Corps