What are the fundamental tenets of China’s approach to political warfare? What does it look like when Beijing employs political warfare in the real world? And how is it different, in both theory and practice, from the way the United States and its allies conceptualize warfare?

In this episode of the Irregular Warfare Podcast, our guests explore these questions and more. Dr. Ross Babbage is a nonresident senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, served as the head of strategic analysis in Australia’s Office of National Assessments, and is the author of the book The Next Major War: Can the US and its Allies Win against China? David Stilwell is the assistant secretary of state for the Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs, a retired US Air Force officer, and former director of the China Strategic Focus Group at US Indo-Pacific Command.

During the discussion, the two offer examples of China’s information operations and how they intersect with a variety of global security challenges. They also share recommendations on how to counter China’s political warfare and build resilience against it.

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Image credit: Petty Officer 1st Class Dominique A. Pineiro, US Navy